Interview with Mandawuy Yunupingu of Yothu Yindi by Fred Tietjen
- excerpted from Rhythm Music Magazine May, 1994
Mandawuy Yunupingu of the Gumatj clan from North East Arnhem Land was pronounced
Australian of the Year for 1992 for his accomplishments in the
national and international arenas. Mandawuy is the leader of the
group Yothu Yindi, hailed by Billboard Magazine as the flagship
of Australian music. He is one of his country's fore most
cultural ambassadors. His band swept the awards of the Australian
music industry and played at the United Nations to innaugurate
the Year of Indigenous Peoples in 1993. Their second Album, last
years Tribal Voice (1993), went double Platinum in Australia;
the band is now poised to launch their fourth tour to America
in April (1994).
Yothu Yindi combine Aboriginal (Yolngu) and non-aboriginal
(balanda) musicians and instrumentation. Amidst the clack of the
bilma (clap-sticks) and growls from the yidaki (didjeridu) that
seem to well up from the center of the earth, they weave strands
of song-cycles of the Gumatj and Rirratjingu clans onto rock-solid
drums and guitars, and infuse the whole with their uncompromising
political message.
Their message is two-fold. The first relates more
strongly to Australian politics, though it has its bearing on
the question of land rights for indigenous peoples everywhere.
Australian Aboriginal people trace their origins back 40,000 years.
The first continued white presence on the continent began some
200 years ago, when English turned the continent into a massive
penal colony, shipping off their convicts to the fatal shore (title
of a book by Robert Hughes on the subject) in order to relieve
their over-crowded prisons at home. The British regarded the continent
as terra nullius or unoccupied land (meaning that no colonial
power had laid claims to it), and claimed it for their own in
1788. The Aboriginal inhabitants were equated with animals, and
were massacred well into the 20th century. Their situation today
resembles that of the American Indian in many respects, a history
of genocide, resettlement, and deprivation leading to all too
often to internalized oppression, hopelessness, unemployment and
alcoholism.
But in their new album, Freedom, Yothu Yindi celebrate
a new cause for hope, commonly known as the Mabo decision.
Eddy
Mabo was a member of the Mer community on Murray Island in the
Torres Strait who together with other prominent members of the
community brought a case that attempted to overturn the terra
nullius doctrine. He argued that the Mer settlement on the island
had been continuous-- that it had always belonged to them, and
that terra nullius therefore did not apply to the island.
He lost. But the Murray islanders appealed, and this time they
won. The Australian High Court surprised everyone by handing down
a near-unanimous decision (one dissenter), saying that the unbroken
Mer presence on Murray island did indeed secure ownership for
that clan, overturning the concept of terra nullius for that particular
piece of land and, by extension, for others like it.
Eddy Mabo died before the High Court decision, but
Mandawuy's brother Galarrwuy commemorates his achievement
in the song called, Mabo, hammering the message home with stilted
but uncompromising bluntness. "Terra Nullius, Terra Nullius...."
The brothers are not the first generation of their family to be
involved in the struggle. Their father, along with the father
of Yothu Yindi Wittiana Marika, were both leaders of the Gumatj
and Rirratjingu clans in Northeast Arnhem Land. In the 1960's
they initiated the Aboriginal Land Rights movement petitioning
the government for the right to exercise Aboriginal authority
regarding the use of land and the granting of mining rights in
their traditional homeland areas. The band named their first album
"Homeland Movement". It was recorded in 1988, Euro-Australia's
bicentennial, an event the band protested in a number of concerts
in Sydney.
But the Aboriginal message goes beyond Australian
politics. The name Yothu Yindi means "child and mother"
in the Gumatj language, reflecting how the Yolngu relate to their
environment. They see the maintenance of the earth's ecological
integrity as key to their physical and cultural survival. Through singing, dancing, painting
and ceremony, they become co-participants in the on-going creation
and re-animation of all life forms.
More than celebrities and world class musicians,
the members of Yothu Yindi are cultural emissaries of the Yolngu people. Their album Freedom is a visionary
statement of hope for a shared destiny of a global community.
With the ecological future of the earth at stake, our fate as a species may
be linked to the cultural survival of indigenous peoples and their
ability to transmit their native wisdom.
--Fred Tietjen--
Q. What is the impact of Aboriginal music and culture
on the world?
A. I think it is becoming a very central focus point
from all around the world. People are starting to relate to Australia
through our music. They are starting to find out more about the
art of this country. They are starting to connect with other global
indigenous people as well. They can make the connection and understand
and learn something from us. I think our main view is to be cultural
ambassadors abroad and try and teach those people who are looking
for something that they feel is the right thing. I think we've
got something to offer in that area.
Q. How do you feel about being named Australian of
the year?
A. For me and my family its a proud moment. I feel
that it signifies a social and political change. Its a much warmer
sort of change, in terms of the Australian ability to recognize
and be involved in the big picture, and wanting to learn about
original culture. I reckon it has been a turning-point for most
Australians. It also added to my brothers recognition , Galarrwuy
Yunupingu, who was named as Australian of the year in 1978. I
was surprised when I got the call. We were in Boston when I got
this phone call from the Australia council telling me I was unanimously
voted Australian of the Year. So I told my brother , Galarrwuy
, who happened to be touring with us and he reckoned "Wow
, that's special". So you can imagine how much strength we've
got doubling.
Q. What role does Galarrwuy play in Yothu Yindi and
in the Northern Territories?
A. Well he's the Northern Land Council Chairman,
so he looks after this big statutory organization that talks to
the federal government on Land Issues. Here in Yirrkala , He plays
the role of chief, the man in charge as clan leader for my tribes.
He also works with the band. He does most of the album cover art-work(
Tribal Voice, Freedom) and writing songs. He was executive producer
on Tribal Voice .That's within his department
Q. Can you tell me about the
Mabo decision and Terra
Nullius?.
A. In the process of the release of Tribal voice
the government and Aboriginal people have addressed and acknowledged
through legislation that Aboriginal people have recognized Native
Title to their land and country. When the English came and colonized
Australia they did not recognize tribal sovereignty and followed
a doctrine called "Terra Nullius" which means that land
is uninhabited. The Mabo decision handed down by the High Court
has invalidated that doctrine and gives Aboriginal people bargaining
power for the same equal-rights that anyone else in this country
has. The Mabo decision recognizes that we Aboriginal people were
living here before the British came.
Q. Can you talk about the song "Mabo"?
A. "Mabo" is on our release Freedom. It
was written by my older brother Galarrwuy. It's his reflection
on the struggle we've had. A group of elders from our country,
my father, and the father of Wittiyana Marika were founders of
the Aboriginal Rights Movement. They took the government to High
court and lost the fight there. We were addressing the same issue
as Eddy Mabo, but we lost on the grounds that this place Australia,
our homeland, was owned by the crown.
(Author's note: The British regarded the Australian
continent as "terra nullius", or un-occupied land, as
no other colonial nation had claims to it, and claimed it as their
own in 1788. Eddy Mabo, along with other prominent members of
the Mer Community on Murray Island in the Torres Strait, argued
that the Mer Settlement on the island had been continuous - had
always belonged to them and that, "terra nullius" did
not apply to the island.
Then when the Mabo decision was overturned we just
wanted to celebrate that. So my brother wrote that song centered
on our struggle here with a view of connecting our thinking through
the lyrics that you hear in the song. The Lyrics connect us to
the island people of the Torres Straits. That's been going on
for generations and generations. We got a spiritual link in there.
The Lyrics talk about the Rainmaker, The Spirits Man. They also
include the hard-core legal view, "We were right that we
were here, they were wrong that we weren't here, Terra Nullius,"
(lyrics from "Mabo").
Q. Can you talk about the difference between the
traditional song cycles and the contemporary songs you compose?
A. Most of the songs I write in a contemporary way
are drawn from the traditional "Roots Sound" I feel
that's the driving force in my music. That's where my natural
ability resides. So I try to work within their context, despite
the different genres I use, in order to bring in meanings derived
from the Yolngu side of songs. For example, the cut "Djapana"
is centered on the Yolngu side in rhythm, beat - everything really.
I added things that I feel I could share with people who otherwise
don't know the "Djapana" context. Aboriginal people
who come from within my region already understand the structure
of the song itself. Whereas others that are not familiar with
our languages and culture can relate to it because of the inclusion
of contemporary side of the lyrics.
Q. In your performance of traditional songs. can
you tell me what is the relationship between bilma, yidaki, singing
, and dancing.?
A. Since the beginning of time the Law was Bilma. The Law was Yidaki. So when we want to emphasize things that make every general Law what it is today, We sing about its history. Then we dance about it. There's always the abstract level to it and there's always the normal level to the whole thing. So there's the art of music , art of dance, and the art of defining the land. There's also the art of sand-making. Well, you are talking about the land and shaping the land. Talking about a particular idea, then that idea becomes an idea that everyone relates to, its the Law, You know? So I find it really interesting to add all these things together and say "wow" this makes up the bulk of our Law , and the bulk of our Law is practiced through all these art-forms. I think its perfect for me. Because I feel the Yidaki and Bilma , helping each other, balancing all the time. There's the abstract level to singing, at the secret-sacred level, that we think is positive, and that is generated through various forms.
I think I won't tell you about these forms.
It's only that I'm restricted not to tell you because of
my obligations to my Law. But the forms are there in their sophistication
and complexity. All we need to do is tap in and that just what
we are trying to do. Inform and teach our younger generation to
respect it and respect becomes their power base. It is important
to know those positive energies, in order to live positively in
a community.
What is the relationship between Aboriginal Law,
Land and Yolngu People?
Sacred Law and normal law have always held a balanced
view on the whole thing. For Aboriginal people it is everything
we are connected to. Its a heart connection to the land and to
the many forms of our Ancestral spiritual- leaders that we see
as people looking after different things in the world. We practice
the Crocodile dance, we do the fire dance, because the crocodile
created fire and is the symbol of creativity. You got to respect
land and give back to Mother Earth. If you respect her, she'll
give back to you. We have ways of respecting in a spiritual sense,
we have ways of doing it.. For example at a place that is considered
to be sacred. There are ways that people practice all the time.
Let's say you catch a fish or a kangaroo in that region, you take
it back to your camp you cook , you eat it. Anything you don't
eat you put in a circle and that circle becomes an aspect of giving
back to mother earth. It'll come back to you in the original form
as well. If its a fish, you want that fish to come back. So Mother
Earth can re-create it and bring it back to you.
During your tour of the US in 1988 you met with the
Native Americans and toured with the John Trudell band as your
opening act. What were the similarities and differences in your
experience of being Indigenous people?
I was still learning about Native American people. I was looking at the ways that Aboriginal American People live like or thought like. I was anxious to learn the views that John Trudell had. His view was that its a strong political, uphill fight for Indian People. You are three-hundred years in front of us in regards to colonization. With 500 years of European colonization that changes much that would have occurred. The similarities I felt, was that people like the Hopi and the Navajo Indians in Flagstaff, Arizona talked about racism, mining , spirituality and religious freedom, and all those things they talked about connected to what we were talking about at that time. We were talking about the cultural genocide that was happening here in Australia.. In that year of 88 the big happening here was the bi-centennial celebration in Australia, so I talked to several Navaho and Hopi about the ways that we Aboriginals were treated here in Australia with racism and people merely ignoring us. It was ignorance in the way that white people were suppressing Us. This similarity was one of our connections with Native Americans that was most interesting to me,
That's the first time I was talking to Indian people.
Previously I had only seen movies of how the white people have
portrayed American Indians. So when I went there I was really
blown away that most of the Hopi and Navajo Elders were women.
They were the most outspoken of the whole flock. Men were there
but they were kind of reserved you know.?
Author. "Yes, a story I heard about that is
that for the Dineh~ (Navajo) the land passes through the
women. The only way a man has access to the land is through his
relationship with a woman. And if he doesn't treat her right,
she puts his blanket and moccasins outside the front door and
that means he has to leave---and that means he doesn't have any
land. That's big trouble. The Navajo make sure that they treat
women's power with respect. It keeps thing in balance.
Well, that's what I was surprised to see. When I
came back and told my family, I said, Hey, did you know that with
{Navajo} Indian people. All the women were in charge of things.
So, It opened up a lot of eyes with us, from our point of view.
Tribal sovereignty for Native Americans has not been
addressed in any significant way by the US government. Do you
have any comments on this?
I think it's only right that basic human-rights should
be a matter of precedence., similar to what Mabo has opened up
for us here. It's given us freedom to equally share in whatever
the possibilities are for the future. It gives us strength to
stand and to be able to work equally with any other people, guaranteeing
us the same human rights and protection by the same common law
that covers any other people in this country .It's about understanding
and freedom. And in (Australia), that opens the area in which
black and white relationship is the ultimate relationship.
I think that if American Indian people are strong
about it, there are in front of a lot of things. If America is
the country we think they are , and if they want to have a future,
then they should be doing something right for the Native American
people, the original people of America, on whose land they live.
Is there any benefit for white Australians, now,
to include historically excluded Aboriginal perspectives and values?
Well, I think it opens up a lot of relationships.
( explore nature of meaning Yothu Yindi in this context) On the
work side of things, the moral side of things, and I reckon a
whole spiritual side of things, a connection to nature. I think
that through the education we will be bringing about it is going
to lead in the white man's ways, in their high schools, universities,
colleges. Aboriginal education will be part of a {curriculum}
informing white Australia about the many changes that are taking
place.. It will only occur if a good solid black/white relationship
happens now, with all the political changes that are occurring
now, that would then become a driving force for change to occur
in order to make this big dream come true.
Do you think that (non-aboriginal) people understand
what you are offering them?
They can if they tap in, and listen carefully.
What is the future for Aboriginal people?
I think we have a destiny we want to color. With
the changes that we put in place now Aboriginal Australia will
keep developing in its own way to be independent, but also a part
of the big picture.
Can you talk about the composition of the song "Our
Generation"? On Freedom? The music for Our generation was
written by Andrew Farris from INXS who wanted to collaborate with
us on the whole thing. What I did was strip away some of the lyrics
he sent and kept his music there and added what I thought was
a world connection. I wanted to go down to a Roots level and have
the freedom to tap into that and make people adjust to Aboriginal
perspectives and values.
I thought that working with Andrew Ferris was good
because he brought in things centered on a contemporary way. His
lyrics focused ,from a white artists perspective, on pollution,
destruction, violence, war, and I just turned it around to include
the indigenous perspective so we could tap into the commonalty
of attitudes.. Mandawuy ,
( singing)
Someone in the city holds a piece of paper, someone
in the bush holds the Law in their hands. Last chance for freedom
,in our generation, we're not the only people
,
( lyrics from the song Our Generation on "Freedom".)
"That's the one. It sums it up.".
What would happen to the world if Yolngu people stopped
singing, dancing, painting, playing Yidaki and Bilma?
"The whole world would die. It would just stop.
The world would stop."
Mandawuy Yunupingu Gumatj clan, co-founder of Yothu Yindi
and Australian of the Year 1992.
"Only the Indigenous people of this world respect
Mother Earth. Our role is to protect her. Our role is to tell
people that exploit her "Stop doing it before it's too late."
That's our role as indigenous people. We do that through our songs,
we do that through our music, We do that through our art. My ultimate
aim is to protect Mother Earth from damage before it's too late."